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Britische Uniform in grün?
« am: 28. Juni 2017 - 20:49:22 »

Hallo,

 gelegentlich habe ich Bilder von Briten in grünen Uniformen in Frankreich gesehen. Waren dies Schwarzweißfotos, weche später in den falschen Farben \"bunt gemalt\" wurden, oder gab es wirklich grüne Uniformen bei den Engländern? Welches Grün & was für Einheiten trugen es? Anzag, British rifle regiments, LH, Ghurkas oder Kanadier? Gab es auch graue Uniformen ?

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« Antwort #1 am: 28. Juni 2017 - 21:09:20 »

Von welchem Konflikt sprichst du? Ich gehe mal vom 1. Weltkrieg aus. Da war die Standard Farbe das typische Khaki der britischen Armee. Von welchen Fotos schließt du auf grüne Uniformen?
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« Antwort #2 am: 28. Juni 2017 - 21:29:16 »

Australier und Neuseeländer trugen teilweise grüne Uniformen, wenn du dich auf den 1. Weltkrieg beziehst. Bei den eigenen Truppen der Engländer fallen mir nur die Lancashire Fusiliers ein, die ein dunkles Olivgrün hatten.

Mit den Fotos wäre es definitiv einfacher.
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Englische Mineure bei Messines, 1. WK. ca. 1917
« Antwort #3 am: 28. Juni 2017 - 21:41:13 »

Hallo,

 das letzte Photo habe ich in der aktuellen \"Militär & Geschichte\" auf S. 10 gefunden. Da das Bild absolut scharf ist, Details & Farben stimmen, gehe ich von den richtigen Farben aus. Allerdings war dies nicht das erste Bild von Briten in Grün an der Westfront, das ich gesehen habe.

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« Antwort #4 am: 28. Juni 2017 - 21:43:44 »

wenn es kein service dress ist und wir von Photographien reden kann es nur die Kolorierung sein, so grün fällt Khaki nicht aus.
Kanadische Uniformen waren etwas grünstichig, aber im WW2
und natürlich die grünlichen Tropenuniformen, aber erst spät im Krieg und nicht in Frankreich.
Kleiner Tipp - Briten unterscheiden zwischen \"british\" und \"commonwealth\"  oder \"imperial\". Da gab es unterschiede, wenn schon nicht im Schnitt
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« Antwort #5 am: 29. Juni 2017 - 11:34:52 »

Jap, definitiv eine Kolorierung oder schlechte Autochromaufnahme :D Nach den Farben auf solchen Bildern solltest du nicht gehen. Wird wohl das normale Khaki der Briten sein :)

 @Pedivere: Wieso sollten Kanadier eine andere Uniformfarbe haben? ?(
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« Antwort #6 am: 29. Juni 2017 - 15:14:12 »

siehste mal, hab mich etwas vertan

es war die Australische service dress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Dress_(British_Army)#The_Great_War

Although this was the standard combat uniform for the British Army and colonial units (at least when serving in temperate climates), the armies of the Commonwealth countries (which originally referred to those with Dominion status) had variations on the theme. The Canadian tunic was closed by seven buttons and had a conventional tunic collar (all stand and no fall), although the Canadian Officer\'s Service Dress was the same as that in the British Army. The Australian version of service dress, brought into use in 1912 and called the Commonwealth Pattern differed significantly. It was a lighter pea-green colour, had a voluminous pleat in the back, sewn-on waist belt, four large front pockets and triangular shaped upper pocket flaps.

und sie haben sie noch in WW2 getragen

es gab auch unterschiede im battle dress, und da war tatsächlich die canadische grünlicher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Battledress#Variants

Variants

Battledress, Serge being the original pattern of battledress uniform commonly referred to as \'1937 Pattern\', the blouse had a fly front, pleated pockets with concealed buttons and an unlined collar, the trousers having a large map pocket on the left leg front with a concealed button and a small, single pleat dressing pocket on the front of the right hip with a concealed button.

Austerity Pattern Battledress introduced in 1940 saw some small changes to the original design, a lined collar and slightly closer cut to the blouse and a new dressing pocket on the trousers with two pleats and an exposed shank button.

1940 Pattern Battledress (occasionally labelled 1942 Pattern) was introduced in 1942; it deleted the fly front. The front buttons, as well as the pocket buttons, were now exposed. Pocket pleats to the blouse were removed, as were box pleats to cuffs, early manufacture included two inside pockets but this was soon reduced to a single inside pocket. Plastic buttons were introduced, rather than the brass dished buttons of Battledress, Serge. The trousers retained the features of the Austerity pattern but the pocket button was now exposed and made of brown or green plastic like those of the blouse.

Officers were permitted to tailor the collar of their blouses so as to wear a collared shirt and tie.

Battle Dress, Olive Drab, War Aid was made in the U.S.A. for the British Army and was widely seen in the Mediterranean theatre. Note the American use of \'Battle Dress\' as two words. The blouse featured exposed buttons on the outer pockets, which also bore no box pleats. The fly front of Battledress, Serge was retained. Cuff buttons were exposed, and there were two inside pockets. A small, internal hanger loop was introduced to the collar. The collar was closed by double hook-and-eye arrangement. Tailoring was of good quality and the wool blend tended to be finer than British-made blouses. Type-specific plastic buttons were introduced.[5]

Canadian Battledress never had a 1940-type pattern introduced, though the collar closure did change from a set of hooks and eyes to a flap and button in about 1943. The Canadian version was also a much greener shade of khaki than the standard British version.[6] It was greenish with some brown, rather than brownish with some green. Buttons were green painted steel, with a central bar across the middle for the thread to hold in place.

New Zealand Battledress was almost identical to British 1937 pattern Battledress, Serge but the wool tended to be much darker brown, while the stitching was a contrasting light colour. The NZ blouse had a six button fly front, rather than the British five.

Australian Battledress blouses were almost identical to British Battledress, Serge. The trousers were closer to British 1940 Pattern. Both tended to be a much greener colour than British BD. Australians didn\'t wear BD, but their own version of Service Dress, meaning their BD was for export to other Commonwealth nations, such as the British. Buttons were in sheradised steel or plastic resin.

South African Battledress appeared in both khaki wool and tan twill. The short jacket was referred to as a bunny jacket.

Overalls, Denim were a version of Battle Dress intended for working clothing, and were produced from khaki coloured cotton denim, with several manufacturer\'s variants. It was issued a size larger as it was intended to be worn over the regular uniform. Buttons were fixed through small holes in the denim material and kept in place by a split pin. The buttons could be easily removed for laundering which, due to denim overalls being workwear, was more frequent than for serge battledress.[7] 90,000 sets of denim overalls were issued to the Local Defence Volunteers (later the Home Guard) as their main uniform, in the weeks following their establishment in May 1940. Three months later, supplies of overalls were so depleted that the standard serge Battledress began to be issued to the Home Guard instead and in December, it was announced that Battledress would fully replace Home Guard overalls as soon as supplies were available.[8]
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« Antwort #7 am: 01. Juli 2017 - 00:14:59 »

Hallo,

ursprünglich habe ich nur das 1. Foto in der Zeitschrift gefunden. Die anderen 3 waren dann bei Google zu finden. Westfront 1917.  [/img][/img]


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« Antwort #8 am: 01. Juli 2017 - 04:49:12 »

ja, ziemlich klar nachkoloriert.
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