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Antipater:
I would follow Ghibelline in saying that drawing information about a whole troop type from just one/a few illustrations is at least courageous. ;)
From your (and the author\'s) tactical and logical point of view it makes perfect sense to suggest light infantry was used by the (earlier) Mycenaeans. But it\'s still a suggestion not backed by a sufficient number of sources, me thinks. Therefore I wouldn\'t say the WAB army list is lacking a crucial element.
However, WAB is neither supposed to be a historical simulation at all. If you\'re feeling the need to portray light infantry swordsmen, a solution might be to \'upgrade\' existing entries, e.g. give javelinmen the \'Veteran\' status or relieve the swordsmen of their shields. If you have a historical argument at hand, no one would be bothered. :)

Axebreaker:
That is the only source I have at the moment,but I plan on trying to find some more when I have a few moments.(if any other)

As of now,I\'ll stay with the \"official\" list,but I might think about making an \"unofficial\" list ,because I see some problems with the current list in Legendary Heroes as just to far out there and I\'d like to try and represent these swordsmen,but I haven\'t quite worked out a fair way to represent them.

Personally,I think they existed and operated much the way the author described,but some more back up would help.

I also disagree with Ghib\'s view in which he implies the author suggested they were some kind of heroic ninja fighters.He never said the took on fully formed heavy infantry in a suicidal frontal assualt. The author only said they were held in high status and were effective in guarding the flanks and attacking disrupted heavy infantry blocks and very effective in pursuing broken ones.They also worked with heavy infantry and more then likely proved effective at flank attacks.This does not sound \"fantasy\" to me,but rather probable considering how each was equipped.Anyways,I appreciate your and Ghib\'s input as a nice discussion is always enjoyable even when not seeing things exactly eye to eye. :D

Axebreaker:
Thought I\'d mention I\'m not getting much support for my view on the Swordsmen without shields and 90% support Ghib\'s and Antipater view in regards to historical accuracy.Anyways,the idea was very interesting if not exactly accurate.However,I\'m getting some support on the theory of a light infantry fighting in support of the heavy infantry that didn\'t just skirmish,but engaged in close quarter fighting.Most think they at least had a shield and probably some javelins.Hmmm,more to ponder. :)

Antipater:
Modern view has it that swordsmen eventually outmatched the \"pikemen\" since they were more flexible, i.e. better adapted to hit & run-tactics which became common in the later (Mediterranean) Bronze Age. That doesn\'t necessarily mean that \"light infantry\" hadn\'t been deployed beforehand, they just aren\'t recorded as a primary branch.
Some historians (supported by ethnologists) suggest that young (noble-)men fought as lightly armed \'champions\' (the later Greek promachoi), perhaps before being accepted into the shieldwall. Personally I don\'t dare to take anything for granted since there\'s so little undoubted evidence.

As a sidenote: You might be interested in Robert Drews\' \"End of the Bronze Age. Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe CA. 1200 B.C.\". It\'s a well-written and moreso well-informed book that gives an overview over the current state of affairs in historical science regarding Mycenaean  warfare.

Axebreaker:
Antipator wrote:


--- Zitat ---As a sidenote: You might be interested in Robert Drews\' \"End of the
Bronze Age. Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe CA. 1200 B.C.\". It\'s
a well-written and moreso well-informed book that gives an overview
over the current state of affairs in historical science regarding
Mycenaean warfare
--- Ende Zitat ---
Yes,I\'ve been made aware of this author and he will be on my reading list. Thank you for the tip.:)

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