Sweetwater Forum
Epochen => Absolutismus und Revolution => Thema gestartet von: Axebreaker am 13. Juni 2008 - 21:57:52
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Does anyone play Warhammer ECW? :rolleyes: I have a large Royalist army built,but I haven\'t painted it yet.This mainly has to do with the lack of interest I\'ve seen on the subject here.Perhaps if I find an interested player I would paint my force up. :thumbup:
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No offense ment, but ECW is not only unpopular but in large parts of germany unknown. I think it\'s historically completely unimportant because of the Stuart restauration, and in military terms not really important if compared to the french contemporaries. For the british it\'s part of their history and the last great war on british soil, but nothing compared to the 30 years war, the turk wars or the early wars of Louis XIV. I guess few in britain would be really interested in playing Frondé, although it\'s quiet the same as ECW.
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First let me say that I\'m american not english so we understand why I\'m defending this period out of a point of view and not some form of nationalism.The American Civil War isn\'t important unless of course your an american,but that hasn\'t prevented alot of non-american\'s from being interested in it. ;) Oh,we also can\'t forget the Alamo in The Mexican/American war.I wonder how many times that one has been fought.And,without a doubt the entire Japanese civil wars are completely unimportant to non-japanese ,but that has not stopped anyone from being interested to say the least.:whistling: I think what your discounting is the romance of this war, and that I believe is important and not just if it is historicaly relevent on a international scale.There were alot of colorful characters and interesting battles that took place in this war.For example if Prince Rupert could have controled his cavalry a bit better a couple battles could have gone very different indeed to start with and so on and so forth.My point is that we won\'t change history,but if it\'s interesting why not try and who cares if it was historicaly important as long as it captures the imagination. :)
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Yes, that was a good writing. I like the ECW because of the miniatures. And Axe is right with for example the Japanese Samuraiwars. A lot of Wargamers like this period and they are not Japanese. I think it`s a shame that the ECW is quite unpopular.
But nevermind...
@Axebreaker
Unfortnately I live near Düsseldorf and don`t have any ECW minis. The biggest reason is that my mates are not really interested in this period. But hey...the minis are cool (that`s the mainreason why I like historical miniatures)and so are the rules.At least the 1644 ones. Haven`t read the Warhammer ECW rules.
Regards
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Thanks for the support :) ,but I mainly defended it so people wouldn\'t be turned off from reading about this period in english history. It was full of color and drama and can be fun to support one side or the other.You have a stubborn king,a religeous fanatic,stir in some crazed highlanders and some tempermental scots and you have a recipe for fun.Imagination is the key. Yes indeed I like the miniatures alot(Foundry)and same goes for me in that the period and available miniatures have to appeal to me.I have both sets of rules and I like each set of rules.Main difference on visual basis is 1644 the units are smaller so you can play larger battles with less miniatures.A bonus if you don\'t want to spend alot and paint up as much.With any luck perhaps we can change a few minds. ;) As far as the distance between us I don\'t think we would game on a regular basis(gasp)but maybe once in awhile or at a large tournement give a demo game to attract some gamers. :thumbsup: We can just keep it in mind and go from there.
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@Axebreaker
Well I for one do play ECW....however only in 15mm and using Principles of War Renaissance. So all in all not m uch help to you :fie:
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The main reason I see, why the ECW isn\'t very popular in Continental Europe, although it is an interesting conflict/series of conflicts, is that it is too \"close\" to the TYW. To us, the \"Swedes\" of Gustav Adolph oder the Imperials of Tilly and Wallenstein are usually much more appealing,
As for the miniatures, you can have pretty much the same as for the ECW plus some more (for example the croats to name just some).
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@Desert Rat
I\'ve never tried it in 15mm,is it any fun? :rolleyes: It\'s a little help,at least your playing in the period. :beer: Cheers!
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@Murphy
This I\'m very well aware of,and if Robb and the gang would do a book on the TYW then some folks from the continent would collect from this period.And ,with the armies being very similar I might be able to get a game or two for ECW and vice versa. :whistling:
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@ Axebreaker
Well I enjoy it !!
It\'s not very well known over here though, there are people to be found though.
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Perhaps I\'ll look into it. :)
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I don\'t think that ECW is in particular unpopular in Germany (or elsewhere in continental Europe). It\'s the Renaissance in general that is astonishing underrepresented.
I know dozens of players for ancients, dark age, world war II or other periods, but for the Renaissance I know only the brave guys from Spieleclub Mannheim who held up stubbornly the banner of renaissance wargaming :) Maybe there are a handful others.
And Axebreaker - you are absolutely right - the ECW is a colourful war with nice battles to recreate. No reason not to pay that!
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...auf den britischen Inseln werden sehr wenige Schlachten des 30-jährigen Kriegs ausgetragen, abgesehen von den Flüchtlingen, blieb dieser europäische Konflikt drüben recht bedeutungslos. Genauso unbedeutend ist der englische Bürgerkrieg für uns Festlandeuropäer. Trotzdem habe ich etliche ECW-Schlachten hinter mir, aber eben mit 15mm Figuren...
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@Frank Bauer
Your right on the Renaissance period not being very popular in general,but here in Germany the slant does go towards the TYW and understandably so as it\'s part of your history and culture.All I wanted to point out is that the ECW is both colorful and interesting.I just didn\'t like it being dismissed out of hand because of it\'s importance on worldwide basis.I believe as a wargamer a period must interest you in both painting and playing and anything else does not matter.
As for me, I have the typical wargamers problem in that to much interests me! :gamer: I always have a massive back log of models to paint! :dash: I love the dark ages and my favorite army is the Vikings in which I have one in both WAB and DBMM :phatgrin: .For WAB I own -Vikings, Imperial Romens,Carthagians,Ancient Germens,HYW English,Ancient Greeks,ECW-Royalists,DBA/DBMM-Vikings,Normens,Post Mongol Samurai,LOTOW Lawmen/Outlaws and if I had the time I would like an army for just about every book so far released for WAB + too many armies to mention for DBMM! :lol:
Thanks for pointing out the lack of interest in the Renaissance period,I believe they make for very nice looking games on a tabletop.Truely a period not to be missed by dedicated figure painters! :)
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I am from Dortmund and played my first game using the ECW WH rules last friday. And friend of mine of the Dortmund Amateur Wargamers and me tried out the rules the first time. I collected so far the miniatures of the ECW and he tried more or less to collect minis fitting the TYW. It is no problem to use most of the figures for both wars I guess, especially if you play the later TYW period. If you want to try a more historical correct approach you should at least change the banners :D
In WI is currently a series for additional armies and rules for the TYW using WH ECW rules (started december 2007) which looks promising.
So if you find someone playing the TYW some scenarios for the ECW would be no problem. Unfortunately we live a little far from each other.
Holger
http://www.fantasy-miniatures.de
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I have a royalist Army, painted, but not played X(
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@holger
Thats very true in that the ECW and TYW are interchangeable .;) Like you said,if you can overlook the banner problem then why not.I mean it\'s not like they had the union jack at that time,so unless you have studied up on banners I don\'t think it matters all that much.I think here in Germany a player should try to be alittle bit flexible in both WAB and of course ECW/TYW as our pool of players is alot smaller then say England and the USA.As long as the miniatures being used look close to what time your fighting in then players should not be too strict in the historical accuracy. :thumbup:
As far as the distence goes,yes that is a long drive,but perhaps in the future a demo game can be arranged at a convention.I was thinking somewhere along the lines of Tactica 2009 or 2010 or something similar to it. :)
Also,Robb and the gang at Historical said they will be making a supplement for TYW in the future and that will hopefully open up a larger pool of players for TYW and ECW as well. 8)
Axebreaker
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@hallostephen
\"God save the king!\" 8o Well I\'m hoping to change the lack of players.
Like I said in the last post,when Robb and company make the TYW supplement that could open up some players for ECW as well. :D
Also a demo game at some conventions might help. :whistling:
Try posting some pictures of your army,I\'m interested in seeing it,plus it could draw some interest. :thumbsup:
Axebreaker
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I dont know how to post photos-My Army is painted somerwhere in the middle bvetween bad and good, if we met on A convention, lets play.... :thumbdown:
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...für die grösseren Figuren bin ich zwar nicht zuständig, aber in 15mm Grösse ist die Auswahl gewaltig, meine new model-Armee besteht gänzlich aus Essex-Figuren, die ich aber noch nicht abgelichtet habe... aber von den Donningfon Figzren gibt\'s z B diese:
(http://www.volny.cz/vodnicek/15mm/ewc1-8.jpg) (http://www.volny.cz/vodnicek/15mm/ewf1-10.jpg) (http://www.volny.cz/vodnicek/15mm/ewf21-28.jpg)
Figuren zum 30jährigen Krieg gibt\'s von denen übrigens auch...
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Meeting somewhere for a game would be nice. You are also invited to come along for a game if you will be in my region once.
To take a look at my Parliament \"army\":
http://www.fantasy-miniatures.de/wargamesgallery/ecw.htm
and for some Covenanters I painted (but which I don\'t own):
http://www.fantasy-miniatures.de/wargamesgallery/covenanters.htm
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@Vodnick
Very good 8) .The nice thing about 15mm is you can achieve a \"large\"battle effect.
Axebreaker
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@holger
Very nice work 8o !I also like to paint miniatures to a high standard. At least I hope they are :) .Your painting makes me want to begin painting myself :D !And,your photography is excellent! :thumbup: As of yet I have not tried photographing my mini\'s and I\'m a bit nervous I\'ll mess it up. :fie:
I see that you play early Parliament forces before the advent of The New Model Army.
As far as a game this year I have no time to paint up a ECW army(to much on my plate) ;( ,but after seeing your mini\'s I\'m inspired to try and have one painted up for next year!Perhaps a demo game at Tactica 2009. :rolleyes: :D
Axebreaker
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@hallostephen
It\'s only important that you have them painted as everyone paints at different speeds and standards. :) I won\'t be able to play until at least next year ;( ,but it appears \" holger\" has an outstandingly painted Parliment force ready for war :thumbup: .I suggest you contact him for a game if your looking to play earlier then next year. :rolleyes:
Good luck
Axebreaker
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[font=\'Times New Roman]My army is far from complete, just ready to playtest rules and small games. I still need more cavalery and musketeers and I don\'t have any artillery yet. And my painting style prevents me from finishing any army soon.[/font]
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@holger
I know exactly how you feel! ;( It takes me along time to paint as my style prevents me from finishing anything very fast.On average it takes me about 2 months per regiment of 20 :dash: ,and now with a new baby even longer. I\'m typical of alot of wargamers in that I have way more models then I can ever hope to paint! :lol: :monster:
Axebreaker
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@holger
I have a question for you. :rolleyes: When photographing your mini\'s what do you use for your background?Did you make it yourself or did you purchase a background kit?I\'m talking about the light blue background.I would like to begin photographing my mini\'s and I could use some advice. :S Thank you. :)
Best regards
Axebreaker
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@ axebreaker
Sorry for the delay. I bought a background especially for photography. You can buy it in good photography stores or perhaps order it somewhere on the internet. It reflects the light especially for taking pictures so this is better then most self made backgrounds.
Cheers
Holger
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@holger,
As a matter of fact that\'s what I just did a week ago and I also ordered a \"Photo Box\".But,thank you for replying.I just need to buy some lamps and then I\'m all set and ready to go! :DStill,thank you for replying. :) I liked your background for your web site also.The total black background with just the photo\'s in it is nice,because the viewer isn\'t distracted by the background and instead places all of his focus on the miniature.I\'m going to do that as well when I get around to setting up my own web site. :)
Cheers
Axebreaker
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At the moment I`m building my own little Scots Covenanter Army....love the frame guns :phatgrin: ...
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@Crusader
Very nice! :thumbup: Scots are a very good choice for two reasons.First is that they fought for both sides and this makes finding a game easier.The second is it\'s easier to paint the army,because of uniformity. ;) When I first started collecting miniatures for ECW,I was torn between English Royalists or Montroses Scott Royalists. :fie: In the end,I went with English Royalists,but I hear the bagpipes sounding and you never know just maybe I will still collect a Montrose Scott Royalist army in addition to my English Royalist one. :evilgrin:
Where do you live?If I ever get around to painting my army,perhaps we could have a game. :rolleyes: I\'m in the middle of painting Fire and Fury ACW and about to start a BG AWI American army,but I would like to paint some of my ECW as well.I\'m a typical wargamer in that I have too many projects and not enough time :gamer: .Anyways,it\'s nice to hear someone is interested, :phatgrin: and your right the frame guns are nice! :)
Cheers
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I live in Lower Bavaria....Straßkirchen (near Straubing if you know that)....and I know your problem, because I am the only one in our wargaming club that is interested in \"boring\" historical wargaming :phatgrin: ....
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one thing I´d like to add....my interest for the ECW came up after I saw the movie \"Cromwell\" with Richard Harris and Alec Guinness (Damn this movie... :D )
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I\'ve never seen the movie, 8o but I will be sure to see it now.Thank you for the tip. ;) Send some pictures when you finished a unit or two. :)
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as desired my lord :D ....one thing about the movie....it`s an old movie (around 1970 or so :thumbsup: )....so don`t expect super special effects...apart from that it´s one of my favourite movies :)
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Alot of the best war films were made in 1970\'s and earlier. ;) Look in the Films and Publications part of the forum and there is a thread on The Best War Films ever made.I answered with a list of over 20 films in which alot of earlier films are in there. :thumbup: If you haven\'t seen Waterloo(I think in the 70\'s,maybe 60\'s) then your missing out. :) Rod Steiger is so convincing as Napoleon,that whenever you think of Napoleon then you\'ll think of him. ;)
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Alot of the best war films were made in 1970\'s and earlier. ;) Look in the Films and Publications part of the forum and there is a thread on The Best War Films ever made.I answered with a list of over 20 films in which alot of earlier films are in there. :thumbup: If you haven\'t seen Waterloo(I think in the 70\'s,maybe 60\'s) then your missing out. :) Rod Steiger is so convincing as Napoleon,that whenever you think of Napoleon then you\'ll think of him. ;)
Hey Axebreaker, et al. Inspired by this thread my dreams of collecting an ECW army become more and more real. I like the Renegade Range since I met in another forum Doschi. In my opinion he is one of the most inspired painters of this period I know. Just have a look on his side especially \"Der englische Bürgerkrieg\": http://www.historische-militärfiguren.de/
Maybe early 2009 I will start a small project.
The above cited film, Cromwell, is a must be. Really good.
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@Koppi Die Renegade Modell sind ein Kopf größer als die Perry zum Beispiel, habe hier welche rumstehen. Finde sie viel zu groß, lieber Perry oder Foundry!
Sven
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Da stimme ich Sven zu...sind wirklich viel zu groß....
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Perry und Foundry gefallen mir in dieser Reihe nicht. Na und so ganz kann ich Eure Argumente nicht nachvollziehen. Die von mir gezeigte Seite von Doschi zeigt gerade alle Modelle gemischt. Habe die live gesehen und ich fand den Größenunterschied nicht so dramatisch.
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@Koppi Die Renegade Modell sind ein Kopf größer als die Perry zum Beispiel, habe hier welche rumstehen. Finde sie viel zu groß, lieber Perry oder Foundry!
Sven
Was für Modelle hast Du denn da ? Mir gefallen nämlich nicht alle. Können ja gegen GB byzantinische Reiter tauschen. :phatgrin:
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@thrifles
He is very inventive with his scenery and has some nice bases,and very nice photography. :thumbup: With that said,the painting is only average. :|
As far as the models are concerned,I\'m a Foundry and Perry die hard fan. :borg: So,it comes as no surprise when I say I prefer their miniatures to the ones given by you. :rolleyes:
Still,I don\'t mind what gets you interested in ECW,just as long as it does get you interested. ;) :D That would be great if you started collecting ECW. :thumbsup: Are you a Cavalier or Roundhead? :rolleyes:
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I do have miniatures for my ECW/TYW army from Perry and Renegade mainly, some Foundry, Bicorne and 1st Corps as well. Perry and Foundry are different concerning style and size. I do not mix them within one unit but they are okay mixed on the same side I would say. Perry mix well with Foundry although Foundry does produce different sculpts concerning size and style themselves. Renegade mix well with Bicorne and TAG because they were all sculpted by Nick Collier (however he is spelled). Redoubt does also produce nice ECW minis, concerning size the are somewhat in the middle between the above stated.
Perry are brilliantly sculpted with fine details and very nice, expressive faces/heads. Renegade is a bolder approach, some rougher details, but perhaps easier to paint because of that. So I prefer Perry but because I want to use my minis for the TYW as well I will add more TAG minis in the future I guess.
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Hello Holger,
Nice to see your back! 8o I thought you might have lost interest in sweetwater. :rolleyes:
All my ECW miniatures are Foundry because I like them alot and I bought them when they gave some price deals. :thumbup: Now I have a larger army then I probely really need. :rolleyes: I have looked at the Renegade line and they are nice,but if I buy anymore ECW miniatures then I\'ll go with Perry\'s as they are the best for the very same reasons you gave. :pump:
Please send some more pictures if you have completed any new ones.Your mini\'s always look very nice. :thumbup:
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I have some more painted miniatures which I took pictures of but probably not posted on my website yet. Also some minis finished but not photographed and 12 horse on my painting table nearly finished. So you will see some more in the near future. Due to a lot of work I don\'t have much time for the hobby left so right now I am concentrating of painting, not taking pictures, posting on my site or in forums ;( . But at some time I will do that again more regulary.
Some of my minis are in the current issue of Wargames Illustrated on a spread page, quite proud of it :thumbsup: :pump:
Some more will appear in a still secret project hopefully soon!
Next up are Perry ACW, couldn\'t resist!
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I completely understand about the time factor.So much to do and so little time. ;(
Congradulations on getting your mini\'s in in Wargames Illustrated! :pump: Your mini\'s are very nice and I\'m not surprised others have seen that as well and you have reason to be proud.
Secret Project you say,hmmmm.now I\'m curious.I\'m looking forward to seeing your mini\'s when you have time to post. :)
I understand about the Perry miniatures, ;) I\'ve started collecting AWI for BG rules.The southern militia and Riflemen just sucked me right on in. :evilgrin: The Perry mini\'s are the best and no historical wargamer can resist buying some! :borg:
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axebreaker i often travel to germany and are currently rebasing my 1/72nd scale ecw+swedish+imperialist force got about (1500 foot but only 90 cav) to warhammer ecw, any time you want to try the rules drop me a line
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Hello Skippy
That sounds great! :) Only problem is I have a very large army but it\'s in 25mm and completely unpainted. ;( I have no time to paint this army at the moment,because I have other commitments I\'ve already made.I never painted them because their were no other players to be found near me and DBMM,WAB,and now FOW it\'s easier to find some players.
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I know I know, i converted all my armies to plastic a few years ago got sick and tired of been examined at every airport. However Worlord Games is about release 28mm ECW/TYW plastic that look cool going to build a WECW 2000 pt Waller (got to love those lobsters)/parliament army now
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I\'m glad to hear you like the Parliment army,because I like the Royalists :D .If we ever get a chance to play,at least we won\'t have the same side. ;)
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got to go with the side that banned christmas........and just about everthing else including waller :thumbup: . Good to go once i can get my hands on thenm
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\"got to go with the side that banned christmas........and just about everthing else including waller :lol: \"True.
Just let me know when you have assembled your army :D
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Axebreaker
better start painting
walked into my LGS yesterday was speaking to the owner about ECW and then he said \"you know that 25mm ECW army i had 7 years ago that i sold, well it has come back\". So 100 USD later I have 60 horse 120 shot and 30 pike to start touching up and rebasing. Need to get about 30 pike to fix the pike/shot ratio but painting 30 it much less of a challenge than 200.
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I can\'t promise anything very soon as I have a full plate at the moment. :blackeye: My first priorty is painting up AWI for a project I\'ve promised some other members,then for my club I have FOW and for myself I\'m doing a DBMM Norman army.But,I\'ll try and do some a little later for this when I can.I paint slow so don\'t expect anything soon.I promise to let you know when I start ECW which I want to. :)
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I think this the right place to post the following:
Renegade Miniatures are selling some ECW Regiments of 24 Foot or 9 Horse for only £11.95
Clicky (http://www.renegademiniatures.com/regt.htm)
Cheap way to start an army 8o
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It is the right place and I heard something about it.It\'s a good deal. :thumbup:
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wow. thats cheap. i think i will bring this up the next time someone says something about \"rising tin prices\"...
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So whoever is travelling through the Ruhr-area and has an ECW-army in his bag, just drop me a line.
I have painted swedish army for TYW but I feel free to call them Kings or Parlaments army.
Whatever is needed.
The minor point is that at the moment they are based for BLB to try the rules.
Sooner or later I will base them on WECW or 1644 compatible bases.
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I will be in april ... a swedish army - just musing on my parl/waller army using the London TB red coated regts as the core. Does anyone know what colour the spanish coats (never go so far to say a uniform) were in the TYW? might pick up a few extra banner for spainish units. Not sure how to deal with tericos with wecw though.
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wow. thats cheap. i think i will bring this up the next time someone says something about \"rising tin prices\"...
They are suckers for p&p though: 30 % to mainland Europe, minimum 7.50 pound.