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Spezielle Regelsystem => Impetus => Thema gestartet von: MixusMaximus am 18. März 2012 - 21:38:16
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Hallo zusammen,
wie ich auf der Action von den Worean-Jungs erfahren habe, gibt es auf der Wildenburg, in der wunderschönen Nordeifel, dieses Jahr definitiv wieder ein Impetus-Turnier, diesmal, wie erhofft in 28 mm. Den Flyer gibts auf der Worean-Seite, die aber leider im Moment im Umbau ist, daher hänge ich den mal lieber hier an.
Voraussichtlich ist eine Turnierteilnahme wie letztes Jahr an die Nutzung der Übernachtungsmöglichkeiten gekoppelt, da die aber relativ günstig und mit Vollpension war, sollte man sich davon nicht abschrecken lassen, ebenso wie von dem Begriff Turnier! Letztes Mal war das eher ein lustiger Spieltag bei dem man von den doch etwas versierteren italienischen Spielern viel lernen konnte.
Es wäre schön dieses Jahr ein paar neue Impetus-Spieler dabei zu haben, da dieses wunderbare Spiel bei uns eher ein völlig unverdientes Nischendasein in unserem nicht gerade Breiten-Hobby zu fristen scheint! So wie es aussieht werden wohl auch wieder Lorenzo mit Freunden erwartet.
Jetzt muss ich nur noch schnell eine Armee bis September auf die Platte bringen, zum Glück sind es ja nur 300 Punkte...
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Ich melde mal hohes Interesse an! Das ist ein schöner Anlass meine mittelalterlichen Frankfurter auf 300 Punkte zu malen...
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Genau, ich finde auch so ein näher rückender Termin hilft einem sich endlich mal ans Werk zu geben! Allerdings habe ich jetzt schon meinen dritten Anlauf genommen, und eine neue Armee (Later Macedonians) angefangen!
Als Tipp, schau dir (falls du das nicht längst schon gemacht hast) mal Lorenzos Turnierregeln 2012 (http://www.dadiepiombo.com/tr2012.pdf) an, da gibts bei 300 Punkten neue Regeln zur Armeezusammenstellung. Und die Italiener waren letztes Jahr alle mit Rolls of Destiny ausgerüstet!
Mal sehen, wann Worean bezüglich der Anmeldung und der Details mal was verlautet...
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I\'d really like to try and make this one! :thumbsup: Not sure what army I\'ll do just yet. :rolleyes:
Christopher
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I\'d really like to try and make this one! :thumbsup:
Go ahead! I really hope to see some new faces this year!
Not sure what army I\'ll do just yet. :rolleyes:
That\'s in German \"die Qual der Wahl\" :D
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That\'s in German \"die Qual der Wah
Yes indeed! The problem for me is building entire 28mm armies from scratch is very, very difficult. I can do about one or two armies of this size a year maximum and I already have plans in ACW , some Montrose Scots ECW, F&IW, WWII etc. I might do the Aztecs, but they are quite difficult and require a large number making them unlikely. I thought about Italian Wars, but they suffer they same problem as the Atzecs. Samurai is another thought, but again very high difficulty level makes it unlikely. ;( I\'m leaning towards converting my Trojans or Praetorian Romans or El Cid to Impetus giving me a realistic chance to finish without becoming overly stressed as I would with the others. I\'ll have to \"chew\" it over for awhile. :)
For this tournament I would have preferred 15mm as I already have two armies for that, but I think I have a chance to complete a 28mm army by converting one of the existing ones I have painted up already.
Christopher
Christopher
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Wird es sich um reguläre 500-Punkte-Listen handeln?
Und wie ist das beispielsweise mit Azteken und Samurai? Die gibt es ja nicht in den Magazinen als offizielle Listen, oder ist bis dahin noch was angekündigt?
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Wird es sich um reguläre 500-Punkte-Listen handeln?
Und wie ist das beispielsweise mit Azteken und Samurai? Die gibt es ja
nicht in den Magazinen als offizielle Listen, oder ist bis dahin noch
was angekündigt?
It\'s not 500pts. but 300pts and beta lists are allowed for armies not covered in supplements as far as I know. ;)
Christopher
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Oh, I should try to find those beta lists then ;)
And 300 sounds like it can be done. Yay!
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That would be those (http://www.dadiepiombo.com/beta0e.html), I think ;)
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Hi everybody. Yes I plan to come again with some friends from Italy. Last year it was very nice!
Just a quick suggestion if you are looking for a fast to paint army in 28mm: The Teutonic Order.
The list is in the rulebook and it very expensive in points.
With the new tournament rules at 300pts you have to halve the maxima so you can field only 2 Teutonic Knight Units but their cost is 90 pts, so a 1/3 of the army.
Keeping the list as cheaper and with few figures as possibile you can add 4 Crusader Knights (116pts), 1 compulsory Knechte (16pts), 1 compulsory Livonian Horse Archers (27pts), 1 compulsory Turkopolen (19pts), command structure (12pts) and an Average leader (20pts) and you have 300pts.
Knights can be take from plastic range by FireForge.
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Hi Lorenzo,
I really do hope I get a chance to meet you there. :)
To add to your Teutonic Order pitch I\'ll further say this army is pretty effective at 28mm. ;)
Christopher
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Bring whatever army you like, as long as you join the tournament! :D
Instead of Great Italian Wars you could choose the earlier version and use the Perry WotR-Boxes, at least the MAA are not that time-consuming to paint!
(although the infantry might be a different cattle of fish)
BTW 28 mm seems to be much more popular for Impetus in Germany, an to be honest, if you want to interest new players a nicely painted 28 mm army does the trick much better than those tiny 15 mm gnomes they\'ll use in the FOG tournament next door :sm_pirate_devil:
Thomas
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BTW 28 mm seems to be much more popular for Impetus in Germany, an to be
honest, if you want to interest new players a nicely painted 28 mm army
does the trick much better than those tiny 15 mm gnomes they\'ll use in
the FOG tournament next door
I do both scales and I don\'t completely agree with that statement. It\'s your opinion that more play 28mm in Germany, but our entire group plays 15mm and some 28mm for Impetus.
It is true a 28mm army does looks better then a 15mm army ........if it\'s painted very nice that is, otherwise you easily see a badly painted one and then that looks much worse then an equally badly painted 15mm. ;)
15mm gives you an army appearance better then 28mm IMHO because you still retain enough detail to see the figures while still giving the effect of mass as more figures are used and in smaller area.
15mm armies are easier to complete and still look good while 28mm takes quite a bit longer to do if want to maintain good standards.
As Impetus has improved the look of 28mm armies it also has improved the look of 15mm armies as well and a nicely based and painted 15mm looks great and shouldn\'t be dismissed as you can do quite a bit with it with Impetus basing unlike the regimented FOG basing you were mentioning.
I was just commenting 15mm is easier to build and truth be told also plays more \"fair\" then the 28mm version as the movement to table size suggestions given in the rulebook for 28mm are too small.
All that said I\'m open to both scales and happily play either one as I\'m a fan of both! :D
Christopher
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Hello Christopher,
no offence meant! :blush2:
I like playing and especially painting 15 mm very much, in fact I usually only play and paint 15 mm, also for Impetus!
But after having not that many Impetus players for the 15 mm tournament last year, we decided to have a try in 28 mm this time. :D
It just seems like Impetus is the ideal excuse for doing something in 28 mm without having to mortgage your house, and also an ideal excuse for finally succumbing to the need to buy some boxes of all the new fantastic plastic stuff, like the Fireforge knights Lorenzo mentioned (no, I must be strong!).
Thomas
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Hi Thomas,
no offence meant! :blush2:
None taken. Like I said, I play both scales. :)
But after having not that many Impetus players for the 15 mm tournament last year, we decided to have a try in 28 mm this time. :D
I don\'t think the scale is the issue, but rather Impetus had not built up it\'s player base sufficiently in Germany yet. I \'ve already acquired 4 new players for Impetus by doing a demo in Erlangen and running a session at my home, but they are primarily 15mm players that are coming over from Armati and FOG. They said at their clubs they are going to push for a switch to Impetus as they really liked how it played. The base is growing! :D I\'ll see if I can get some of them to do a 28mm army and come along, but I cannot promise at that scale.
It just seems like Impetus is the ideal excuse for doing something in 28
mm without having to mortgage your house, and also an ideal excuse for
finally succumbing to the need to buy some boxes of all the new
fantastic plastic stuff, like the Fireforge knights Lorenzo mentioned
(no, I must be strong!).
Very true, but 28mm just still takes time to do even at the numbers Lorenzo mentioned if you want a decent looking army. Just ask of players you know who collect and paint 28mm figures how many of them have a fully painted 28mm armies ready to go. A whole lot of broken dreams down that road. ;)
Please bear in mind I\'m only trying to give perspective and fully support this event will do my best not only to take part, but attract other players as well.:)
Either way it will be fun! :D
Christopher
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Please bear in mind I\'m only trying to give perspective and fully support this event will do my best not only to take part, but attract other players as well.:)
:thumbup: Spread the word!
Concerning broken dreams in 28mm I think I might have an idea what you mean... :whistling:
I really hope to get at least one Impetus army in 28 mm ready this time (and in time for the WoCo!). Even at my painting rate it should work out, I just have to stay away from my Xbox and not to switch my army every 4 completed bases :D But compared to your miniatures, I fear my paintjob won\'t be half as decent :sm_pirate_frown:
Thomas
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Thanks for the compliment. :)
My only advice is make sure you pick an army you really like to help keep you at the painting desk and not one just because it\'s cheap or useful. ;)
Christopher
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Don\'t worry, my armies of choice usually turn out to be neither cheap nor usefull! :wacko:
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sm_party_box :roflmao:
Christopher
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It\'s now very likely I\'ll go and I\'m even looking at at place to stay for the weekend. :D Anybody have any recommendations for a hotel at a reasonable price and near the event please?
Christopher
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Wie steht es denn aktuell mit Samurai? Gibt es eine offizielle Liste, bzw ist die Liste von der Webseite noch aktuell und wäre Sie fürs Turnier zugelassen?
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Hello Christopher,
for attending the tournament it might be required to to book the whole package at Worean, since the location (the Wildenburg) is kind of a youth hostel, last year it was for 2 nights and six meals (1-3-2) about 80 EUR including the tournament, accomodations and food were okay and everybody playin in the tournaments won a price, so as far as I can tell it is a good price, and your staying in a genuine 13th century castle!
Best contact the guys for any questions: 0049 2181 704 222 or woreanshop@aol.com (http://woreanshop@aol.com)
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@Wraith
It would be nice to see you again and have a game. :) The Samurai armies allowed are the early and late versions given in the beta lists.
http://www.dadiepiombo.com/beta0e.html
@MixusMaximus
Thank you! :)
Christopher
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The rules have arrived by post yesterday (together with all supplements - it\'s Easter after all :whistling: ) and I\'m prepared to join the battle. I\'ll probably try to finish and bring my Perry Koreans - an interesting list and above all beautiful figures :sm_pirat:
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@Sir Toby
That\'s super! :thumbsup: I\'m looking to try and finish my Samurai for this and so a match up to see how the two armies compare against each other would be great! :thumbup:
Christopher
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The more the merrier!
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Sehr schön, dann werde ich anpeilen meine Samurai bis dahin fertig zu bekommen, mit einem konkreten Ziel vor Augen wird das auch eher was.
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Sehr interessant, weil ich - so wie es derzeit aussieht - in meinem Urlaub wahrscheinlich nicht all zu weit entfernt sein werde. Ich könnte mir vorstellen, meine Römer mit zu nehmen (oder die Kreuzzugstruppe, die bis dahin fertig sein sollte) und einfach mal reinzuschnuppern.
28mm natürlich :D
Ich behalte den Termin mal im Auge...wann ist eigentlich Anmeldeschluß ?!
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Also, wenn so viele mit Samurai kommen, werde ich meine nicht auch noch auspacken. Oder wird das dann ein Thementurnier? :roflmao:
Aber ich wüsste schon eine Alternaive; bald kommen ja die Perry-Ritter :tanz:
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Ich behalte den Termin mal im Auge...wann ist eigentlich Anmeldeschluß ?!
They will start accepting applications at the end of this month or the beginning of May. E-mails and adverts will be sent out to notify forums and players.
@All persons interested in Samurai and their enemies
We can\'t limit the event to just a themed period yet do to player pool availability, but a little mini clan wars within the event itself would be very cool and I\'ll see if we can get most of our games paired off against each other and keep a record. If enough players join in I may write up a little background to add some flavour. :)
Christopher
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f enough players join in I may write up a little background to add some flavour. :)
That would be very, very cool! Please remeber to include a chapter for the Korean adventures :sm_pirat_alien:
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That would be very, very cool! Please remeber to include a chapter for the Korean adventures
I will. ;)
Christopher
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I\'ve been gone for a couple weeks in the US and I was wondering if anybody knows if they have started accepting applications for the tournament yet?
Christopher
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Hello Christopher,
not yet!
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Hi,
OK, thank you. They did say the beginning of May so it should be soon as May is already half finished. :S
Christopher
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well there is time.
Who is planning to come? I think that we can be 4 or 5 from Italy
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Hi Lorenzo,
I plan on coming once they start accepting applications. I\'m trying for Samurai, but if I can\'t finish I\'ll probably do a Christian El Cid era army.
Christopher
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Of course I\'ll be there, too! I plan to bring Later Macedonians.
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I\'ll try to be there, too. I\'ll bring my Choson Koreans. ^^
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I\'m beginning to get irritated as they told me the would be accepting applications last week and still nothing as far as I know. ?( Has anyone heard anything yet? :S
Christopher
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Don\'t worry! Last year it was also quite late that the booking phase started!
To me everything seems pretty okay, Lorenzo is planning the Impetus event, Martin is planning the FoG tournament and taking applications for it, from his mail I know it will be 90 EUR for two nights and six meals and we\'ll have the whole of the castle. :thumbsup:
Only the planned FOW tournament is cancelled because of possible legal issues, the guys just don\'t want to risk.
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Gibt es nur Turniere ?
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That\'s good to hear. :)
Cheers
Christopher
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@Razgor, nein wird auch Demo- und Mitmachspiele geben.
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@Razgor
Not really. More like friendly games and historical match ups when possible.
As for myself if enough players show up with Sengoku era armies(Samurai, Koreans) then I\'d like to run a mini clan wars campaign within the event itself culminating in large multi player game. Since we are playing 28mm games they play pretty quick and so should work. If not enough are interested to run a campaign then maybe a small demo game of the period.
I\'m going mention this to Lorenzo.
Christopher
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Danke !
Ich habe keine Lust auf Turniere aber hätte große Lust bei
Participationgames mitzumachen. Das ist aber der falsche Thread,
ich schreib das am besten nochmal im Hauptthread rein.
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I just talked to Lorenzo and he said he isn\'t running anything, but rather the guys from Worean are. He said he is personally coming, but will only bring Italian players if there is a tournament from my understanding.
Since I have no interest in a tournament as I don\'t much care for them and even more so I strongly dislike playing non historical match ups this wouldn\'t work for me. :thumbdown:
If it\'s a free for all tournament then I won\'t attend as I have no interest in that. However, if a small group wants to join me in a mini Sengoku period or El Cid era demo game or mini campaign then I\'m interested. ;)
Could somebody please clear the air and say exactly what is going on and how it\'s going to be run as it\'s all very confusing. 8|
Christopher
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For me it is very clear that there will be held an open Impetus tournament in 28mm. 8|
That is what the first post and the flyer are saying.
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I thought it was open to other things within it and not solely a tournament. I guess I assumed more things were possible and that\'s my mistake :blush2: . If it opens up to those wishing not to play in a tournament then I\'ll come, but if it remains as you quite rightly pointed out only a tournament as posted then I\'ll have to decline. Thank you for clearing it up for me.
Christopher
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Don\'t you have a matching pair? Then you could come and offer a participation game!
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Don\'t you have a matching pair? Then you could come and offer a participation game!
Sadly no I don\'t. I thought it was more of a friendly gaming weekend where you could pick and choose who you wanted to game with and if enough Sengoku era players showed up I thought maybe making a little mini campaign or participation demo like game. I thought Sir Tobi was bringing Koreans and another was bringing Samurai. I also thought of bringing my El Cid army(2 armies) as well giving me more opportunities to play historical opponents. So far there is no list of players and what they are bringing to make a comparison.
Basically I thought it was just a fun get together gaming weekend where you could play historical opponents and even use other peoples armies and they yours and stuff like that. Like I said completely my fault as I made false assumptions.
Christopher
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In this case I\'m out, too. Same here, I\'m not interested in an open tournament. But hey, when there is enough interest in a Japan-themed impetus tournament, let\'s organize it for the AttritiCon next year in ulm. I would be very interested in that.
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Sorry Leute, ich wollte keine Unruhe reinbringen.
Wollte nur wissen, ob es neben dem FOG + Impetus-Turnier auch sonstige
Demo- und Partizipationgames gibt, wo ich sinnvoll ein Wochenende spielen kann.
Ich bringe selber auch gerne ein napoleonisches Game mit (Lasalle)
oder auch gerne ein ACW-Spiel (Fire + Fury) mit jeweils zwei kompletten Armeen mit.
Ich will nur sichergehen, dass genügend Mitspieler da sind und nicht alle
in Turnieren beschäftigt sind. Sonst hänge ich da alleine rum und keiner
will mit mir spielen, weil sie in den Turnieren beschäftigt sind :D
Und nochmal, ich habe überhaupt KEIN Problem mit Turnieren, ich spiele
ja selber auch oft in welchen mit oder organisiere welche.
Nur an dem Wochenende möchte ich meine Zeit gerne anders verbringen.
Ich mache auch gerne bei Impetus mit, aber nicht die ganze Zeit NUR Impetus oder
NUR FOG.
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Also mir ist jetzt auch nicht ganz klar, wo die Verwirrung herkommt, der Thread-Titel ist doch relativ unmissverständlich, oder?! :huh:
Was das Turnier an sich angeht, letztes Jahr war das weder besonders wettbewerblich noch allzu zeitintensiv, für die drei Spiele braucht man mit allem drum und dran wohl max. 7-8 Stunden, blieb also noch genug Zeit für andere Dinge. Gewonnen hat auch jeder Teilnehmer was, also wen das Wort \"Turnier\" abschreckt, den kann ich beruhigen, wer das \"offene\" nicht mag, dem ist m.E. nicht mehr zu helfen, insbesondere wenn man sich die Spielerbasis in Deutschland mal vor Augen führt! Ich hatte, so wie fast alle Teilnehmer letztes Jahr viel Spaß und konnten von Lorenzo und ragazzi eine Menge lernen.
@Mehrunes:
Planst du dieses Jahr auch Impetus zu spielen?!
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@Sir Toby
I\'m interested! :D I would prefer it to be more of a mini campaign based structured event then win/loss tournament per say. Even if we cannot get enough players for something like that I would be interested in making a particpation game giving us time to collect appropriate amount of figures and terrain.
Something like 8 to 10+ players for a campaign.
or
2-6 for a participation game
It would be a cool spectacle! :cool: :thumbup:
@Razgor
No need to apologize as you actually helped out by helping people getting a clearer picture of what was happening. :) I for one might have gone and been very disappointed.
Like you I wouldn\'t want to go and the only thing going on was an open period tournament which I have no interest in.
Hmmm Fire and Fury! :D What scale? I have some 28mm.
I\'d be interested in:
28mm Impetus games using my El Cid or Samurai if somebody has appropriate historical opposition.
I have some 28mm ACW 8) and so Regimental F&F or Black Powder would work for me too.
LaSalle is a fun game and I would play, but I don\'t have any figures and would only be interested in 28mm
@MixusMaximus
I\'ll be clear I don\'t want my Samurai fighting for example Vikings or some such. 8|
I don\'t want to be standing around playing with my fingers while others are playing in the tournament.
I also take full blame for my misunderstanding as I assumed way too much. :blush2:
Christopher
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@Axebreaker: Bitte laß uns hier weiterreden wegen den Games
http://www.sweetwater-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=113010#post113010
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@Razgor
Ok, I did so. :)
Christopher
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@MixusMaximus
Wenn es hinhaut würde ich mit den Yorkists mitmachen, ja.
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Wäre schön, wenn das hinhaut, ich sehe meine Makedonen auch gut im Plan!
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@ Christopher: Great! than let\'s do that. I\'ll talk to Razgor, we\'ll olan this for next Attriticon. Both alternatives would work for me, I hope we get enough players for a Mini-Campaign. :thumbsup:
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@Sir Tobi
Ok deal. :thumbsup:
Looks like I need to get some of James terrain over at OSHIRO. (http://www.oshiromodelterrain.co.uk/) for this. :cool:
Christopher
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Jungs, macht bitte einen separaten Thread für sowas.
Das hat nichts mit dem Worean-Con zu tun.
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OK started the PM\'s with Sir Toby until you start the 2013 Attricon thread. ;)
Christopher
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Hallo!
Hier die Turnierregeln für das Impetusturnier in 28mm:
http://www.dadiepiombo.com/tr2012.pdf
(fürs Anhängen war es leider 6Kb zu groß :( )
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Hier ist jetzt der offizielle thread zu finden: 7.-9. September, 28mm Offenes Impetus Turnier, WoreanCon 2012 (offizieller Thread) (http://sweetwater-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=10456)