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[Axebreaker]

As collector and a person of interest in the ECW,I watched the film Cromwell for the first time last night and I\'ve come away with mixed feelings. :S

The positive being the acting.Richard Harris did a good job as Cromwell,but Alec Guinness was great as King Charles. :thumbsup: They also did a good job in showing the character of both Cromwell and King Charles and showing why they believed they way they did.They also had some nice photography in the film and could give you some terrain ideas for some ECW games. :thumbup:

Here comes the negative.The battles and uniforms were totally inaccurate. :wacko: In the battle of Edgehill they showed it as a defeat for parliment and it was not,the battle was a draw.Cromwell fought in this battle in the film,but in real life he didn\'t even take part. :huh: The uniforms were way off.They showed the entire Royalist army in red and very well equipped. :pillepalle: In reality only a few wore red(the kings personal foot for one) and most no uniform at all.They were also badly equipped with many having improvised weapons.Parliment was better uniformed and equipped,but the film showed them as the badly turned out force.This is totally opposed to historical fact.As a matter of fact the only army in red was parliment\'s New Model Army that was uniformed almost completely in red and never the royalists. 8| The second battle they showed was the battle of Naseby.The New Model Army fought here and yet again the Royalists were all in red and not the New Model Army who they showed in black.Again,completely wrong.It must also be said that the royalists were never in uniform appearence.Another big blunder is they said the parliment forces were outnumbered almost 3 to 1 at ths battle. :pillepalle: Once again their facts are wrong.Not only did the Parliment forces have more troops at Naseby,they had more troops at almost every major battle of the ECW.Perhaps I might have liked the film more if I didn\'t know anything about the ECW.I understand that it\'s difficult to be completely correct and most the time I overlook it,but they were so far off base that I could not ignore it. :huh:

Setting that aside,it can give some ideas for games with buildngs and terrain and help you decide in which side you wish to support.

[Angrist]

It´s funny,
The hour when i found this movie on Amazon, you opened this thread

Your review shows, that you can´t trust the amazon critics, if it´s about entertainment (movies books, ....)
there it was written that the movie was historical accurate

and if i have to decide whom to believe, I think i´ll to  believe you


what do you think about the other english movies that were made in the 60s and 70s and also later?
like
The charge of the light brigade (not the érrol flynn version) (maybe a hidden napoleonic movie diamond, after i´v seen small parts on youtube)
khartoum
the two zulu movies ( the one about Islandwana and the other about Rorkes´ drift)
1746 Chasing the Deer (made in the 90s)

Of the movies mentioned above, I´ve only seen the Zulu movies and they are great (some small details are wrong, but who cares)

Maybe somebody with napoleonic interest could watch a bit of charge of the light brigade on youtube and give a first impression

[Axebreaker]

@Angrist

Yes indeed my friend. 8o Take a look at a thread under best war movies ever made in this forum.I gave a list of what I think to be outstanding war films.A great deal of them were made in the 70\'s and earlier. :thumbup:

Speaking of Napoleonics,the best movie ever made on a Napoleonic battle(one of the best war films for that matter :beer: ) was made in 1970.The film is Waterloo and it is simply excellent! :pump: Once you see Rod Steiger as Napoleon, from that time on when you think of Napoleon,his face will be the one you think of.And yes,he really was that damn good! :borg: Not to mention Christopher Plummer was dead perfect for Wellington(I also think of him when thinking of Wellington).Oh yeah,we must not forget Orson Wells as king Louis 18th,another perfect pick.The battle scenes are awesome in scope and very well done,and the music is priceless for getting the feel right.I could go on and on and on about how good this film is.This is wthout doubt a must see for all historical fans and even more so for fans of the Napoleonic era.

\"The saddest thing to a battle lost,is a battle won\".Wellington at the end of Waterloo.

I hope this helps you find something that interests you.Thank you for picking me over the critics .It still might be worth buying Cromwell because they do a good job in showing why the people were so angry with King Charles and the acting was pretty good(very good by Lawerance). Just try and ignore the mistakes and enjoy the battle scenes which are not to bad.

P.S.If you have a widescreen television as I do,then the battle scenes are even better.

[Angrist]

Well, I didn´t mentioned Waterloo because i thought everybodyin ther forum including me, already owns it

but do you know sth about the charge of the light brigade especially

[Axebreaker]

I\'m not surprised.

If your asking about \"The charge of the Light Brigade\" there was one made in the 60\'s and was very good. I saw it along time ago.I think the title was just that.I don\'t own a copy but a remember some of the scenes.You have me curious now.I\'ll look it up in google.

Yes,and it seems to have won alot of awards.It\'s directed by Tony Richardson.I might have to buy it myself now. I\'m starting to remember more and more as write.Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I\'ll have to add this to my list.

[Angrist]

You just have to look on youtube to find some bits and pieces of it

[Axebreaker]

Thank you.

[Angrist]

You can \"pay\" me for my hint to this movie,
by writing a detailed review about it, as soon as you´ve seen the whole movie

I´m looking forward to it

But be careful, and buy the Uk edition, the german theatrical cut ist 20 minutes shorter than the UK one (but I´m not shure if there even ist a German DVD of this movie)

good thing ist, that even it´s only available as import from UK, its just about 10€ including shipping

[Axebreaker]

When I do purchase it,then I will give it a review. I just made a large purchase of Perry AWI and need to slow down for a little while,but I will let you know.But,if I remember correctly it is a good film and pretty well made.You can wait for my review,but I think you won\'t be dissappointed if you purchase it . :thumbup:

I also went back to my list in the best war films thread and gave the year each film was made to help you decide what other films might interest you.

[Angrist]

@axebreaker
did you buy the movie ?

some days ago, out of a mood i bought cromwell on amazon (and as quick as amazon is, it was there 16 hours later)

When i watched the movie, I didn´t remember your review,
but the also the first things began to crawl arround in my head,

I can only sign your review,
and have to add one little fact, the pikes, for which the war of these times was \"famous\" apart from the muskets,
were far too short, in all the battles in the movie, the pikes are nothing more than  a bit oversized spears
the most pikes you will see in this movie, are those on the Cover of the dvd (which are obviously not from a scene of the movie)

but i also liked the actors, and the scenery as a whole.

So my \"advice\" is, watch some documentaries about the ECW, especially about Naseby,
then watch the movie, but ignore the faults mentioned in this thread,

[Axebreaker]

@Angrist

@axebreaker
did you buy the movie ?

Charge of the light Brigade?If that\'s what you mean,then no I have not,but like I said I think I\'ve seen it and it\'s a good film.

I can only sign your review

I don\'t understand. :huh:

and have to add one little fact, the pikes, for which the war of these times was \"famous\" apart from the muskets,
were far too short, in all the battles in the movie, the pikes are nothing more than a bit oversized spears
the most pikes you will see in this movie, are those on the Cover of the dvd (which are obviously not from a scene of the movie)

Probably for safety reasons and ease of use. :rolleyes:

but i also liked the actors

Yes,they did an excellent job! :thumbsup:

So my \"advice\" is, watch some documentaries about the ECW, especially about Naseby,
then watch the movie, but ignore the faults mentioned in this thread,

Again,I\'m not sure what your point is. :S I\'ve seen several docu. on Naseby ,to include the ECW as a whole and read some books and the Osprey\'s etc.I stand by everything I said.If your looking for a quick surmise of the battle of Naseby then Wikipedia are really nice as well.Try it at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlacht_von_Naseby.