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[Dahark]

Mongoose hat \"Battlefield Evolution\" wohl doch noch nicht aufgegeben:

We made a sideways mention of this new project in a recent forum post, and I thought it might be fun to explore what we are planning here. While it is a \'slow burner\' and a long way off (not even thinking about a release until \'sometime\' in 2012), there is no big secret about this game, and it may be fun to see how what is planned here changes over the course of a year.

Project Love You Long Time is actually Battlefield Evolution Vietnam (note the cunning use of project title to throw people off the scent... hmm, right...). However, we are going to be approaching things a bit differently, hence the long lead time.

The big thing, of course, will be the miniatures (28mm), and we have a fine sculptor taking the lead on these. These will be produced throughout 2011, starting off with some basic US and NVA or VC squads, partly to give us a starting point in terms of style and design, but also so we can have some cool minis to push round the table during playtests! The goal here is to a) despite the entire range being planned as metal, make every model in a squad unique and b) allow some customisation - so, you will get the basic weapon and equipment load as standard, but be able to add shotguns and other bits and pieces, according to army list upgrades.

The next item on the agenda is the rulebook, and we have something special planned here too. The idea is to treat BF Evo Vietnam not as \'another\' historical game, but as a modern miniatures game that is attractive to potentially anyone, not just those \'into\' the Vietnam War. We have spoken to our friends at Warlord Games about this approach in the past, and a handful of other manufacturers seem to have \'got\' the idea too. In a nutshell, you see glorious production values in fantasy and sci-fi games, but these are often lacking in historical games. Why? There is no good reason for it, especially when you accept that historical gaming can be just as \'cool\' as sci-fi - you just have to find the \'cool\' elements and push them to the fore.

So, we will be looking at a full colour hardback, bedecked with photos and pictures of lovely painted miniatures, that will serve as a meaningful introduction into the history of Vietnam as much as a rulebook. The idea here, to use another company\'s terminology, is to treat the army lists as mini-codexes. So, you don\'t just get rules and army lists, but full background, painting guides, histories, characters, and so forth. Fundamentally, we are taking the view that the Air-Cav or NVA are just as cool, deep and interesting (more so!) as a Space Marine.

The job of this rulebook will be to prove it.

Added to all of this, we are looking to do a \'complete\' Vietnam range. As well as all the models you can expect as combatants, from the US Army to the Montgnards (and no, we certainly won\'t forget the Australians!), we are also looking to harness our forthcoming resin production facility, going online a little later this year, to include vehicles, choppers, buildings and terrain. The idea here is to provide a one-stop Vietnam shop for miniatures gamers, giving you everything you need from squads to jungles. We will be stopping short of doing our own paint and brush ranges - there are enough of those around, and I am sure you all don\'t need yet another...

For my part, I am really looking forward to this game. Vietnam is an era (and remember here, I am British) that I have only really been vaguely aware of - I know of some of the battles, some of the characters, klnow much of the hardware, have seen the films, and all of Tour of Duty (seriously). But I haven\'t really got \'into\' the background, history and politics. Being a self-confessed prop-head, I know a fair bit about the air war, but that is not the focus of this game.

So, the first thing I did was dial up Amazon and promptly ordered a veritable stack of DVDs (films and documentaries), and books. Lots and lots of books. By the end of this year, I reckon I\'ll know a thing or two about the war alright!

I also recruited a handful of people who a) know way more about the war than I do and b) have promised they will tolerate some very silly questions. We\'ll be doing our own research, but it is good to be able to touch base with someone who knows more now and again.

Vietnam has its controversies of course (though, once you start digging around in military history, you quickly find that is par for the course in every war - Vietnam is just a little more recent), and I am looking forward to that in a way. You see, it is one thing to know about the hardware and the battles - that is the easy thing when it comes to researching military history. But to actually _understand_ the era and the reasons things were done in a war, you need to go much deeper, looking at the personalities involved, the history behind the combatants (sometimes going back hundreds of years to find root causes), and the politics and propaganda of the time. Those factors matter _way_ more than battles and hardware. It is a tough thing for war freaks (and miniatures gamers!) to come to terms with, but what happens off the battlefield usually has a profound effect as to what happens on it - and, when you get down to the details, it is often more interesting.

So, expect a dollop of that in the rulebook too!

As for the various books we picked up, I deliberately sought out some of the more... biased ones. I\'ll give an example here (won\'t name the book, we\'ll cover that in the game\'s bibliography). There, on the very first page, I saw the following passage;

\"I fought in Vietnam, and I never saw us lose a battle.\"

Hmm, okay. This guy was a pilot, so that may well be true. However, the context in which he is talking is more.. global. Never?

You get more of a clue as to where the writer is coming from a few pages later, with this quote (and I haven\'t cut anything, this is the sentence as written);

\"First, you need to remember North Vietnam (Communist; enemy to U.S except for Left/liberals) and South Vietnam (Non-Communist; supported by people with common sense).\"

Ah ha, you think. I do believe I can see where this chap is coming from! Still, to his credit his writing is clear and while he has had me scurrying to cross reference various facts with other books, he is fairly solid. The lesson here, of course, is that when digging into this kind of history, you need to look at all sides, from as many perspectives as you can manage. Only then can you begin building a framework of the war in your own head and start making your own calls as to who is likely right and who may well be pushing the envelope of truth a little. I am personally far away from that point, but I am looking forward to adding Vietnam to the wars I can do that with.

So, that is the rough plan for this game. We have plenty of time to put it together, and may preview some bits and pieces throughout the year, here, in S&P and maybe the occasional open day. The first job is to get some minis together and prep the army lists. I\'ll report back with the changes we have made to the BF Evo rules engine (you can expect Cover to change a great deal!) when that first phase is done!

Link: http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/index.php?blog=2&title=project_love_you_long_time&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Keine Ahnung was ich davon halten soll. Meiner Ansicht nach hätten die doch einfach die \"BF Evo rules engine\" für verschiedene Epochen einfach Stück für Stück weiterentwickeln und erweitern sollen. Jetzt hat man erst vor kurzem \"World at War\" und \"Modern Combat\" in die Tonne gekloppt, um jetzt \"Vietnam\" mit einer eigenen Miniaturen-Reihen rauszubringen? Das wirkt doch irgendwie planlos.

Da hätte ich mir wirklich lieber ein paar weitere Bücher gewünscht und dann einfach Kooperationen mit ein paar guten Miniaturen-Herstellern.

[NemesisCH]

Das was kommt war ja schon länger bekannt aber es wurde immer wieder verschoben. Was mich nun aber extrem wundert das es wieder so ein \"Spezial\"-Projekt ist. Es ist klar das sie im Vietnam Thema weniger Anbieter haben die sie \"ausstechen\" müssen. Meiner Meinung nach ist aber das Feld der Interessierten viel zu klein als das sich damit was verdienen lassen würde. Ich kann mich hier aber auch irren....
Ich fĂĽr meinen Teil hoffe das die Regeln was taugen und auch das sie nicht wieder nach ein bis zwei Jahren einfach fallen gelassen werden. Dies scheint aber eine normale Sache bei MGP zu sein. Momentan bleibe ich bei den bestehenden BF BĂĽchern und kann die aber auch weiterempfehlen.

[Soldat Ryan]

Schade, das System ist schön einfach und gut spielbar. Ich suche immer noch nach Seiten und Foren zu BFE. Leider ist das Evocommand-Forum momentan nur ein Spamsammler...

[Sgt. Scream]

Schade, das System ist schön einfach und gut spielbar. Ich suche immer noch nach Seiten und Foren zu BFE. Leider ist das Evocommand-Forum momentan nur ein Spamsammler...

Dem ist leider so, ich tue mein Möglichstes mit den anderen Moderatoren das endlich zu beseitigen. Was MGPs neue Pläne angeht - diesmal lass ich von Haus auf die Finger davon. Das BF Evo MC und WAW noch gespielt werden liegt an Leuten wie Pieta (machte mit mir Kartendecks) und Agis, welche mit privaten Supplements noch imer was beisteuern. Matt hat mehr als einmal einfach die Fans seiner Spiele fallen lassen und diesmal wird es nicht anders sein. Ich habe damals so viel Zeit in die Entwicklung und das Testen von Evo gesteckt und er machte alles zu nichte.  X(

[Dahark]

Zumal ich mich Frage, wieso man z. B. damit konkurieren will:

http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/home.php?cat=18

[NemesisCH]

Ich denke weil Matt es interessiert und sobald sich die Sache nicht entwickelt wie er es sich erhofft stirbt es wieder. Wie schon so einige Male....  :sm_pirate_nosmile:

Was ich nicht verstehe, warum sie die Sache mit der Lizenz \"abgewĂĽrgt\" haben. Unsere Wenigkeit (L\'Art Noir) arbeitete an einer Erweiterung, die momentan auf Eis liegt, und soweit es mir bekannt ist gab es noch ein Projekt in Sachen BFEvo. Naja, MGP wie man es kennt......

[Soldat Ryan]

Und wo bekommt man die Decks. In Evocommand konnte man Pietas Sachen nicht öffenen, scheinbar mit irgend einem PDF-Maker gemacht, der wenig kompatibel ist. Suche immer noch Terminatoren-Mods für Evo und Endzeit-Mods.

In Sachen Forum kann ich Euch nur den Tip geben die Sachen direkt in den Datenbanken zu löschen. Klappt super mit PHPmyadmin...

[Sgt. Scream]

Ryan, evocommand ist so zugemüllt das sie wahrscheinlich schon weg sind (habe gesucht, scheinen weg zu sein, irgendwer von den neuen Mods hat die Sticky Themen gelöscht). Pieta hat seinen Web-Space genutzt von der Uni in Warschau. Möglicherweise hat er was umgestellt oder aus anderen Gründen gelöscht. Ich hab zumindest unsere Decks für BF Evo noch (Modern Combats Vorgänger) und einige wenige für MC.

Ach und meine Call Of Duty 4 Mod gibts noch   lol, das waren meine Anfänge im Gamedesign
http://www.evocommand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1379

[Soldat Ryan]

Die Dateien von Pieta kann man herunterladen, nur beim öffnen bekommt man sowohl auf Pc als auch Mac einen Fehler. Hast Du die Decks noch??? Kannst Du die nicht online stellen?

[Sgt. Scream]

Online stellen werd ich sie nicht. Notfalls kann ich sie dir mal mailen.