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Axebreaker:
As an American,I can help answer some of his questions.

He said it in the first line \"not from Germany\".In America the use of 3rd Reich symbols(in books and games) is not nearly as loaded as it is here.In America if I had a model tank with a red swastika flag streched over the back grill nobody would care as it\'s just a historical model.Of course if you go around wearing these symbols,then that\'s a whole different thing altogether.

To many of them,when you model ss formations, troops and HQ buildings,etc. and you do not include these symbols then your just doing it inaccurate.It\'s like playing the Confederates in ACW and leaving out the rebel flag.

In many cases the hype around ss formations as elite formations of the German army is true.They were the best equipped and very determined.Units did not relish the idea of having to fight these formations.They knew these were generally fanatical fighters(never fun)and would be difficult to overcome.This statement takes nothing away from the regular German troops who had many determined and hard fighting formations as well.It\'s just that with the ss you already know it\'s going to be well equipped and ready to fight you tooth and nail.That\'s where the hype comes from.

Now,you just read my statement above,and if I was talking to another American I wouldn\'t need to tell him that I don\'t agree with the 3rd Reich\'s politics,he would already know this because I only talked about their military capabilities and appearance.In Germany,you have to walk a thin line and make sure whoever your talking to,that you don\'t support the 3rd Reich\'s belief\'s.

This is one of the main problems we have in Germany with wargaming in general.Here ,if you wargame you have to defend yourself and explain that you like history and that you are not a \"war-monger\", and it\'s a game that challenges your mind and encourges reading and education etc.In America,all I need to say is I like wargames.Most do not assume the worst,hell,we grew up playing with toy soldiers.

When I say America,most of this is true for England as well.

To them the titles \"Gestapo Announcement\" and \"Fascist Fashion\" is not to be taken at face value and is used only for a theme.A bad one at that.I don\'t understand why they used that.It sounds something like a teenager would use if you get my point.Why not \"Messages from the Fatherland\" and \"Grey Steel\" and not something so tacky and tasteless(or insulting) as the former.Had to be someone under 30 years old who had that \"bright\"idea.

Maybe you can persuade them to come up with edited German versions.Send some suggestions for different titles.As for the symbols,that might be harder as it\'s more they need to change more.

I wish you good luck.I\'m interested in FOW and don\'t wish to see it banned.

I\'m sorry, I can\'t help in why it costs more for us then it does for other\'s.

I hope I was of some help in explaining a point of view.

Talliostro:
Es gibt eine erste Reaktion seitens JP, die uns alle sehr überrascht und enttäuscht hat. Battlefront wiegelt ab, dass die Situation nicht kritisch wäre in Deutschland und keiner Repressalien oder fürs Spielen und Besitzen von Battlefront Produkten befürchten müssen. Die Realität sieht aber eben anders aus, es gab bereits Geldbußen für Ladenbesitzer, die Fow Produkte verkaufen und es gab bereits Ermahnungen und Strafandrohungen an Spieler, die gewsse Produkte öffentlich benutzt haben. Daher \"lügt\" sich Battelfront da irgendwie selbst in die Tasche. Der Rechtsbeistand, den die haben, sollte besser nochmal prüfen, da die praktische Umsetzung von §86 ander ist, als die juristische Auslegung. Kein Wort zur Gestapo Problematik oder den Preisunterschieden.

JP hat also erstmal PR Mist reingeschrieben, der selbst bei Usern ausserhalb Deutschlands auf Unverständnis getroffen ist. Zumal Nergal auch so freundlich war, die englische Version des §86a ins Forum zu stellen, in dem klar geregelt wird, dass Modelle und Spiele keine Ausnahme bilden, wie JP rumargumentiert hat.

Ich gehe davon aus, dass das letzte Statement von Battlefront ist und bin erstmal zutiefst enttäuscht, da sich die Firma normalerweise um ihre Spieler in allen Belangen kümmert und auch bei Problemen versucht, Lösungen zu finden, die alle zufrieden stellen. Anscheinend gilt dies aber nicht für solche Probleme, die bedeuten könnten, dass man dem englischeprachigen Raum ihre \"Spielzeuge\" wegnehmen könnte.

Naja, wir machen weiter Druck, da das so einfach nicht weitergehen kann.

Strand:
Kann man diese Antwort irgendwo einsehen, ohne sich registrieren zu müssen (wie bei fow.com)?

Diomedes:
Die Antwort überascht mich nicht, sie ist identisch damit was Battlefront bisher immer zu diesem Thema gesagt hat.

Hier ist die Originalantwort von Battlefront. Bitte laßt uns nicht in eine lange Diskussion abrutschen ob sie damit recht haben oder nicht.

--- Zitat ---After having prepared a long and detailed reply to this issue to show we have always been aware of the situation and will continue to manage it as we have for the last five years i realised that this is a business issue for BF and not an issue about the hobby. BF is a gaming company making a product based on the history of combat. We are not political in any way and have never made any product directed towards this end.

The law in Germany is based on preventing the rise of new politcal parties who use symbols from the past. It is not a law to censor history books, games or models. Germany is one of the largest markets in the world for all types of historical literature and gaming and the community has never had to defend itself as the seperation of histoircal product and the use of facist imagery for political ends is really very different indeed. This is what the law asks German judges to decide on and for the most part common sense always prevails. We take legal advice on an ongoing basis and the German version of the rulebook conforms in every way to any rules that exist. No player in Germany is ever going to have their models or books taken away, no police raids on gaming clubs will ever take place, the German FOW community is perfectly safe and doing absolutely nothing wrong. The law is about politics not censorship.

Should the current law change or any issue arise then BF will deal with it as a part of its ongoing business as it is BF as a company that is responsible and not the end user. At no point will we be compromising our products as we are well known for our integrity, accuracy and presentation and none of those attributes make us a politically motivated business, just a compnay making an exciting game set in WWII. At the end of the day we are from New Zealand, probbaly the most sensitive and well meaning country on the planet and Peter and i have only ever had one goal, to make great product, and we see no need to change that in any way at present. We will continue to remain aware our responibilities and how they must be fulfilled in Germany and every other country we sell to whilst maintaining our business and the developement of our gaming community.
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MacB:

--- Zitat von: \'Mehrunes\',index.php?page=Thread&postID=15493#post15493 ---Die Preise kann man in jedem Onlineshop nachsehen wobei ich nicht sehe dass FoW soviel teurer ist als Peter Pig zum Beispiel.
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Darum geht\'s nicht. Sondern darum, dass ich bei einem UK-Onlinehändler für einen Battlefront Blister umgerechnet knapp 7,30 € zahle statt 9,50 € hier.
Die (un*)verbindliche Preisempfehlung von BF bezüglich Euro- und Pfund-Preisen ist einfach völlig daneben.

*= wir wissen, denke ich, alle, dass das \"unverbindlich\" bedeutet: wehe du gibst mehr als 10% Rabatt, dann beliefern wir Dich nicht mehr

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