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Axebreaker:
Excellent!I\'m glad to hear that.I was hoping you had played a few games.Now I\'m even more curious and I\'m looking forward to my package.As a matter of fact I took the precaution of ordering both Scenario books with the rule book.In addition I also will get some Osprey books as well.I plan on collecting a american patriot army first and see how that goes.

From reading the BG forum I noticed their basing is a little different from warhammer ECW.I\'m going to take the precaution and base my army to what warhammer might do if they make an AWI supplement.For example I\'ll base my troops on magnetic 20 x 20mm bases with 2 in front and two behind.In between I\'ll use 10 x 10mm scenic bases for a total base size of 40mm wide x 50mm deep magnetic trays.For Cavalry I\'ll do something along the same lines.As for skirmish troops I\'ll still use the 20 x 20mm magnetic bases and place them removable circular bases.This way I won\'t be trapped in one system.

Yes,we do need to get together for some games!It will probely be next year before I can play any AWI,but Fire and Fury I can play now.Me and Peter(Käptain Jack)have played the first battle of Bull Run at my house.I played the confederates and he played the Union.First game we played about half the scenario and had to stop,but it was clear the rebels were pounding the union into the ground.A month later we played the scenario again and two of my friends joined us.This was a better game with alot of drama.The union artillery and accurate shooting from the infantry sent the confederates reeling back.It was exciting in that to win you had to have a 3 to 2 margin in victory points and control of Henry Hill with no non spent enemy contesting.The confederates were fighting not to knocked off the hill.Thanks to all the troops being green the union couldn\'t captalize on their attack and move their brigades to overwhelm the confederates.Nightfall came and saved the rebels from destruction.The union achieved 3 to 2 victory points but couldn\'t take Henry hill.The game ended in a dramatic draw.

Our next game will be the 20th or 27th of September.We wanted to play Shiloh but we do not have enough miniatures.I think we\'ll just play a non historical scenario until we have built up out collection.One problem is that Peter wants to paint his mini\'s to a high standard.I feel the same way most of the time.With 25mm or larger I agree and always paint to high standard.That\'s also fine with DBA as you don\'t need to paint that many.Believe me when I say I like my figures painted to a high standard,BUT with Fire and Fury and only 1 or 2 people doing the models and needing to paint hundreds of figures and building terrain,then you will never play if you paint to a high standard.I just flat paint them and it still takes time.I\'m trying to explain that for now just flat paint the models so we can play and go back over them later at your convenience.

Of course your welcome to come anytime.I understand it\'s a long drive and that you might not like that.I do have a guest room and your welcome to use it if that\'s a problem.Otherwise perhaps we will meet at tournement sometime.

Robert E. Lee:
If I find the time I will come, but somehow its it is rather hard in the moment (so less time so much to do :rolleyes: ). And by the way, what is about Antietam ? There has been a quite good scenario in the WGI maybe we can play it on a convention ? For example on the “famous” Hamburger Tactica...
This would also be an solution for “big battles” in general because it enables us to bring a lot of players (and miniatures) together for a game. Maybe we can organise something like that in the future.

Axebreaker:
I know how you feel.I\'m repainting some Romens for WAB,I\'ve started a DBMM Normen army,Fire and Fury(models,Terrain),I want to do some ECW and of course AWI as well :gamer: .What\'s even more I\'ve just had a baby girl(9 months old) :pump: :phatgrin: and so I really have alot less time to paint then I use to :rolleyes: .

Antietam!Why play small battles lets just play Gettysburg instead :rolleyes: !I\'m just joking :) .To play Antietam would require a really large group effort.The miniatures required to play Antietam is:

Union(stands)/ Confederate(stands)

Infantry 276 /160

Cavalry 0/ 11

Artillery 30 /28

Leaders 14 /10

Average models per Infantry stand is 3 to 4 so we would need on average about 1450 figures there.take the others and you need 300 + more figures.But,thats the least of our problems :fie: .More then any other game I\'ve played,when playing a historical battle you need to be exact when making the battlefield :blackeye: .We would need to build two battlefields each one 6ft. x 6 ft.Each battlefield has to be built to scale.All the hills have to be built to scale(I use cardboard),then rivers,cornfields,woods,fences,sunken road,assorted houses,and of course a town needs to be built as well.The game would take an entire weekend to play.After Gettysburg then Antietam is probely the most complex battle to play :whistling: .I suppose I play most of these games at my house because of the preparation involved needs time ;) .

My point is we first need to gather a group of players and pick a weekend to play other civil war battles a little less complex and work our way up to Antietam.Believe me when I say I would love to play Antietam :love: ,but for the moment I think it\'s to much.Or,do you know alot of other players and think we could do it now :whistling: ?

Your correct in saying that Tactica is a good place to feature a game like this because you can pool your resources,but first I think a few games should be played together if possible.A playing group established with a large collection of models,terrain and experience(I need little more anyways ;) ) is needed first before we try Antietam I think.What do you think?

How large is your collection for F and F?I have about 100+ union and 80+ confederate,some cannons,cavalry,and leaders.Perhaps if your able to come and your collection is close to me in size we could play Shlioh :) .The terrain isn\'t very complex and the scenario looks to be alot of fun :D .

Speaking of Tactica I would be very interested in trying out BG if possible at the tournement :phatgrin: .I\'m pretty excited about painting these miniatures and maybe a few terrain pieces as well.Do you know of others that might be interested as well.Anyways,I\'m looking forward to a game together be it F and F or BG :D .

Robert E. Lee:
Actually I thought that we \"just\" replay the actions around the dunker church, this would require less miniatures than replaying the whole battle  :) .
But you are right a battle like Antietam deserves and needs accurate terrain. Anything else would simply not be Antietam. But recreating the terrain around dunker church would not be such an big problem. I you want I can sent you a scan of the terrain map form the WGI Scenario. In my eyes the only “work intensive” thing will be the church itself...
The creating of an playing group is good Idea, and somehow necessary , but it is a little bit optimistic because bringing the mandatory mass of ACW players together is in my eyes rather impossible (distances :thumbdown: ).
Actually I am not owing a game specific collection. I base my miniatures on 20*20 plastic card to keep them compatible with the most systems (in my opinion a necessary thing in Germany). I have about 120 Infantry Miniatures and some officers in my collection (most of them unpainted :whistling: ) .
Personally I hope that we can at least play at the Tactica  :) .

Axebreaker:
Sorry I\'m answering so late,but I have late shift this week,and I have no time in the mornings :thumbdown: .

I have question,have you played Fire and Fury before :rolleyes: ?I own the rulebook, plus both Great Eastern and Great Western Battles Scenario books.Antietam is in there.Antietam is broke down into three parts starting with The Morning Battle,The Afternoon Battle,and The Grand Battle.The first two is if you only wish to fight a part of the battle and the last is if you wish to fight the whole battle.The first two are played on 6ft. x 6ft. tables and the last is 6ft. x 12ft :blackeye: !I just fought The 1st battle of Bull Run and that\'s one of the smallest battles you can fight with F and F and that still needed a 5ft. x 6ft. table and took us about 6hrs. to fight 8| !But it was alot of fun :thumbsup: !

Just fighting around Dunkard church is to small in scale for F and F :thumbdown: .Fire and Fury is epic wargaming and starts at the brigade level and is intended to fight armies and whole battles.I think what you have in mind is better suited to Johnny Reb or Battleground Gettysburg using 25mm at the regimantal level.That sounds like fun as well :D ,but I don\'t have any 25mm ACW yet :( .

Your right in saying it will be hard to get a group going ,but we can make an event of it sometime.Just tell me a weekend that you have time and we can try and arrange a group battle :thumbup: .

As far as models are concerned I was talking about painted models only.Unpainted I could field both the Army of Northern Virgina and The Army of Potomac :whistling: .I never play historical armies unpainted.Atmosphere is as important as the playing 8) .I know what mean about trying to be flexible with your basing.That\'s my plan for BG :thumbup: .

We will play at Tactica :phatgrin: ! It just might not be Fire and Fury.Personally I think BG is a better idea :thumbup: .At the moment it\'s what I\'m inspired to do :thumbsup: .

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