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Axebreaker:
Hello Ghib.

I totally disagree with the BTGG for all cavalry!For the very reason I listed above. :thumbdown:If they change it to that then all infantry armies can just about only set up in a horseshoe formation,oh la de da wonderful.The cavalry are fine the way they are,if they get charged by infantry,it\'s their own fault,they already had the advantage in the first place!etc,etc,etc,etc...................

The rest I agree. :thumbup:

Get rid of all auto breaks,and just give a bonus to the charging warband or ferocious charging cavalry.Battle standards are there for a reason,no need to upset games with auto anything!

Hopefully hatred is lessened to re roll misses only!

Great weapons need to strike first when charging.

Pikes should strike first and in at least 3 ranks.

Elephants.Who isn\'t sick to death of their rules.Impact hits,mobility,terror(fear etc),High strength attacks, that\'s enough.They do not need to take ranks and make them into the royal  pain on the battlefield.

I\'m sure I left out alot,and I hope the rules get cleaned up some
Don\'t get me wrong,it\'s still a good game,it\'s due for a good overhaul that\'s all. :)

Mad Mö:
Elephants & Skirmishers

As far as i remember in my last WAB games skirmisher did not prevent a marching move of formed units.
Maybe that is a house rule?
As a persian player myself i normally flood the table with hordes of low-cost skirmishers.
The macedonians counter them with better equiped and higher morale skirmishers / light infantry.
Light cavalry works also and often caused a mass rout of my low morale persians.

Elephants are stopped the same way. Good quality, light infantry in skirmish formation will beat elephants.
As far as i remember elephants and skirmishers never were a big problem in my battles.

Leondegrande:
Elefants don\'t cause impact hits and can\'t march :)

Axebreaker:
@Mad Mö

I quote from the rulebook \"troops may only march if there are no enemy within 8\" of them at the start of their move\" and that is the rule.Perhaps you have a house rule where skirmishers do not stop march moves.Maybe your thinking of a panic test and confusing it with march moves. ;) Nowhere does it state both in movement,skirmish rules,or amendments that skirmishers do not prevent march moves of any type of unit.
For a starter your talking about Macedonians who have an answer for everything built into their list.Enough said about that army.
You know,I knew I was going to get snappy comebacks over specifics,I was talking in general only.I\'ve decided many battles with skirmishers and that just not right and I\'ve seen too many where they have.The army that loses it\'s skirmishers early in the battle and the other still has his is often put in a big disadvantage.I\'ve seen it time and again.
Not every army has light cavalary and that still doesn\'t change what I said etc,etc,etc.....

I\'m happy for you that you have had no problem with elephants,you live a charmed life.Now,back to the rest of us where the damn thing went through all our missles, swatted aside our skirmishers and plowed right into the middle of our army and smashed a hole right through it and watched mass panic erupt,ooops did I leave out the other ones doing the same thing to the flanks blah blah blah.

@Leondegrande
Thank you ,you are indeed correct.I should have been more specific. :) I was meaning what their rules should be in my humble opinion. ;)The main problem with Elephants is they take ranks,and in WAB that is devastating.My belief is if you wish to take ranks,then you need to use skill and cunning to do it.No cheap rules like Elephants and maybe BTGG rule regarding march moves with cavalry vs infantry allowing you to easily put your cavalry on the flank or rear without breaking a sweat.

Mad Mö:

--- Zitat von: \'Axebreaker\',index.php?page=Thread&postID=16438#post16438 ---@Mad Mö
I quote from the rulebook \"troops may only march if there are no enemy within 8\" of them at the start of their move\" and that is the rule.Perhaps you have a house rule where skirmishers do not stop march moves.Maybe your thinking of a panic test and confusing it with march moves. ;) Nowhere does it state both in movement,skirmish rules,or amendments that skirmishers do not prevent march moves of any type of unit.
For a starter your talking about Macedonians who have an answer for everything built into their list.Enough said about that army.
You know,I knew I was going to get snappy comebacks over specifics,I was talking in general only.I\'ve decided many battles with skirmishers and that just not right and I\'ve seen too many where they have.The army that loses it\'s skirmishers early in the battle and the other still has his is often put in a big disadvantage.I\'ve seen it time and again.
Not every army has light cavalary and that still doesn\'t change what I said etc,etc,etc.....
I\'m happy for you that you have had no problem with elephants,you live a charmed life.Now,back to the rest of us where the damn thing went through all our missles, swatted aside our skirmishers and plowed right into the middle of our army and smashed a hole right through it and watched mass panic erupt,ooops did I leave out the other ones doing the same thing to the flanks blah blah blah.
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Dear Axebreaker,
i apologize if i sounded snappy that was not intended.
My experience with WAB armies is somewhat limited to romans, barbarians, persians and macedonians.
Yes, it is a house rule that skirmishers do not prevent a marching move. It works thou.
We limit the use of ballistae because some battles were ballistae shoot-outs. :whistling:
I hope i´m not the only one who live a charmed life witout the fear of elephants. But i´m talking about my personal experiences only.
The WAB rules are only suggestions and we can alter them as we like.
If we ever play a friendly game of WAB i will gladly let my elephants stay at home.

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