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Angrist:
@drisoceles,
ja, daran erinnere ich mich noch, ich nannte mal seine pferde \"hautlos\" (oder sowas) weil sie meiner Meinung durch die akzentuierung so aussahenen, als ob die Muskeln/fleisch blank liegen



My general opinion about Criticism/praising ,
The baddest thing to do, is to be to friendly/unfriendly, if you don´t really think so.
Somebody once called criticism in german boards, \"Wattebäuschchen Kritik\" (soft feather pillows criticism) because sometimes, and in some boards, criticism doesn´t happen,
or they say  a little bit of criticism, just to follow with the sentence that everything ist absolutely magnificent glorious wonderful.

When sombody posts Miniatures, and asks for critic, then im quite honest, and I expect that from the people whom i ask critic about my miniaatures (I just remembered the critic that the eyes of a cowboy looked like fish eyes.  First it hurt a bit, but then i realized that it was true)

But if somebody is a beginner, criticism should be well placed and good things should also be commented.

If somebody posts Pictures of a completely painted army Fire and fury army in 28mm, people commenting should realize, that the owner won´t repaint them because \"you\" think that the contrasts are too strong,
So  for completed Armys I just criticise in a polite way, and never forget to say sth positive (which there is most of the time much more than negative)


What i miss in Germany is a common understanding of criticism, or the way to criticise
We don´t have sth

In England you have Debatings in school, and such stuff, thats sth which i really envy you.
I once saw a school (our english teacher got it from a trip to england) debate about forbidding smoking, between smokers and nonsmokers, and the thing, that the smokers won the argument because of their ability to argue, was very impressive

In germany often theres no argument, or people argue on a very personal level,
until somebody takes a big hammer ( in the smoking case, the health care hammer) and just decides the situation by force

Axebreaker:
@Grenadier Christian

Ahh,I see your point more fully now.Not much of a scale huh? ;) Not a very helpful atmosphere to grow in. 8|

Rules discussion can get heated anywhere,but I assume you mean over the top and fresh insults mixed in.Again,not very fun :rolleyes: At least not always! ;)  :lol:

@Angrist


--- Zitat ---What i miss in Germany is a common understanding of criticism, or the way to criticise
We don´t have sth
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Hmmm,interesting.I was not aware of that.If I understand you correctly then your saying in Germany they don\'t use constructive criticism on a normal basis or rather they cannot tell the difference between constructive criticism or personal criticism.I\'m not sure about that,but I think in any country you need to make sure the member is open to criticism and everyone has to be careful in the words you use.Like I said,positive and negative work well together.The goal is to be helpful and keep them motivated.But,I think I get your point in that you cannot even get that far because everything is taken on a personal level.Thank you for the insight,I\'ll double make sure someone want\'s my opinion on there mini\'s before I say anything that might be even viewed slightly nagative. :)

Jimo:

--- Zitat von: \'Angrist\',index.php?page=Thread&postID=21347#post21347 ---What i miss in Germany is a common understanding of criticism, or the way to criticise. We don´t have sth

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Evtl. stehe ich auf der Leitung, aber was bedeutet \"sth\"?


--- Zitat ---In England you have Debatings in school, and such stuff, thats sth which i really envy you. I once saw a school ... debate about forbidding smoking ... and the thing, that the smokers won the argument because of their ability to argue, was very impressive. In germany often theres no argument, or people argue on a very personal level ...

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Angrist, Du liegst grundsätzlich richtig, nur ist das ein sehr idealisiertes Bild. An  manchen Schulen in Britannien (z.T. auch in den USA, Australiens etc.) lernt man eine hochwertige \"Debattierkunst.\" Eher an den Eliteschulen (Unis) und manchen anderen Schulen. Es hängt sehr viel vom jeweiligen Lehrer ab und den jeweiligen Traditionen der Schulen. Die Debatte als solche ist grundsätzlich ritualisiert und folgt strengen Regeln (insb. auch Regeln des sog. Fairplays). Es gibt sogar Debattierwettbewerbe mit Mannschaften und eigenen Ligen. Gute Lehrer bringen ihren Schülern vorher die Theorie bei (und fordern diese anschließend auch ab). Hierzu gehört z.B. auch solche Grundlagen wie das Erkennen und Benennen von sog. Trugschlüssen (engl. logical fallacies). Schiedsrichter (!) bewerten dann den Aufbau, den inneren Zusammenhang, die Schlüssigkeit der Argumente, ob Trugschlüsse vorhanden sind bzw. benutzt werden, ob ad hominem Angriffe (Angriffe gegen die Person anstelle dessen Argumente = schlechter Stil) benutzt werden etc. ... und nicht zu vergessen ... Humor!!!

Verfolgen kann man z.B. die hohe Kunst des Debattierens bei Übetragungen des brit. Parlaments (insb. des Unterhauses) auf BBC Parliament.

Nur ... die Masse der Briten beherrscht nicht die Debattierkunst. Weil sie es nie gelernt haben, nicht wollten, keine Möglichkeit dazu hatten, oder erhielten. Keine begeisterten Lehrer oder Eltern hatten etc.

Regulator:

--- Zitat ---Evtl. stehe ich auf der Leitung, aber was bedeutet \"sth\"?
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Something.

Jimo:

--- Zitat von: \'Regulator\',index.php?page=Thread&postID=21354#post21354 ---Something.

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Asooo ... Danke. Hatte ich vermutet, war mir jedoch unsicher, da dann wohl der Rest der Aussage fehlte (oder untergegangen ist. Ich nenne es immer den Tastatur-Wurstfinger-Effekt. Unterliege ich selbst oft genug ... )  ;)

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