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[Axebreaker]

Does anyone play Warhammer ECW? :rolleyes: I have a large Royalist army built,but I haven\'t painted it yet.This mainly has to do with the lack of interest I\'ve seen on the subject here.Perhaps if I find an interested player I would paint my force up. :thumbup:

[Poliorketes]

No offense ment, but ECW is not only unpopular but in large parts of germany unknown. I think it\'s historically completely unimportant because of the Stuart restauration, and in military terms not really important if compared to the french contemporaries. For the british it\'s part of their history and the last great war on british soil, but nothing compared to the 30 years war, the turk wars or the early wars of Louis XIV. I guess few in britain would be really interested in playing Frondé, although it\'s quiet the same as ECW.

[Axebreaker]

First let me say that I\'m american not english so we understand why I\'m defending this period out of a point of view and not some form of nationalism.The American Civil War isn\'t important unless of course your an american,but that hasn\'t prevented alot of non-american\'s from being interested in it. Oh,we also can\'t forget the Alamo in The Mexican/American war.I wonder how many times that one has been fought.And,without a doubt the entire Japanese civil wars are completely unimportant to non-japanese ,but that has not stopped anyone from being interested to say the least.:whistling: I think what your discounting is the romance of this war, and that I believe is important and not just if it is historicaly relevent on a international scale.There were alot of colorful characters and interesting battles that took place in this war.For example if Prince Rupert could have controled his cavalry a bit better a couple battles could have gone very different indeed to start with and so on and so forth.My point is that we won\'t change history,but if it\'s interesting why not try and who cares if it was historicaly important as long as it captures the imagination.

[Knoedelmeister]

Yes, that was a good writing. I like the ECW because of the miniatures. And Axe is right with for example the Japanese Samuraiwars. A lot of Wargamers like this period and they are not Japanese. I think it`s a shame that the ECW is quite unpopular.
But nevermind...
@Axebreaker
Unfortnately I live near Düsseldorf and don`t have any ECW minis. The biggest reason is that my mates are not really interested in this period. But hey...the minis are cool (that`s the mainreason why I like historical miniatures)and so are the rules.At least the 1644 ones. Haven`t read the Warhammer ECW rules.
Regards

[Axebreaker]

Thanks for the support ,but I mainly defended it so people wouldn\'t be turned off from reading about this period in english history. It was full of color and drama and can be fun to support one side or the other.You have a stubborn king,a religeous fanatic,stir in some crazed highlanders and some tempermental scots and you have a recipe for fun.Imagination is the key. Yes indeed I like the miniatures alot(Foundry)and same goes for me in that the period and available miniatures have to appeal to me.I have both sets of rules and I like each set of rules.Main difference on visual basis is 1644 the units are smaller so you can play larger battles with less miniatures.A bonus if you don\'t want to spend alot and paint up as much.With any luck perhaps we can change a few minds. As far as the distance between us I don\'t think we would game on a regular basis(gasp)but maybe once in awhile or at a large tournement give a demo game to attract some gamers. :thumbsup: We can just keep it in mind and go from there.

[Desert Rat]

@Axebreaker

Well I for one do play ECW....however only in 15mm and using Principles of War Renaissance. So all in all not m uch help to you :fie:

[Murphy]

The main reason I see, why the ECW isn\'t very popular in Continental Europe, although it is an interesting conflict/series of conflicts, is that it is too \"close\" to the TYW. To us, the \"Swedes\" of Gustav Adolph oder the Imperials of Tilly and Wallenstein are usually much more appealing,

As for the miniatures, you can have pretty much the same as for the ECW plus some more (for example the croats to name just some).

[Axebreaker]

@Desert Rat

I\'ve never tried it in 15mm,is it any fun? :rolleyes: It\'s a little help,at least your playing in the period. :beer: Cheers!

[Axebreaker]

@Murphy

This I\'m very well aware of,and if Robb and the gang would do a book on the TYW then some folks from the continent would collect from this period.And ,with the armies being very similar I might be able to get a game or two for ECW and vice versa. :whistling:

[Desert Rat]

@ Axebreaker

 Well I enjoy it !!

It\'s not very well known over here though, there are people to be found though.

[Axebreaker]

Perhaps I\'ll look into it.

[Frank Bauer]

I don\'t think that ECW is in particular unpopular in Germany (or elsewhere in continental Europe). It\'s the Renaissance in general that is astonishing underrepresented.
I know dozens of players for ancients, dark age, world war II or other periods, but for the Renaissance I know only the brave guys from Spieleclub Mannheim who held up stubbornly the banner of renaissance wargaming Maybe there are a handful others.

And Axebreaker - you are absolutely right - the ECW is a colourful war with nice battles to recreate. No reason not to pay that!

[vodnik]

...auf den britischen Inseln werden sehr wenige Schlachten des 30-jährigen Kriegs ausgetragen, abgesehen von den Flüchtlingen, blieb dieser europäische Konflikt drüben recht bedeutungslos. Genauso unbedeutend ist der englische Bürgerkrieg für uns Festlandeuropäer. Trotzdem habe ich etliche ECW-Schlachten hinter mir, aber eben mit 15mm Figuren...

[Axebreaker]

@Frank Bauer

Your right on the Renaissance period not being very popular in general,but here in Germany the slant does go towards the TYW and understandably so as it\'s part of your history and culture.All I wanted to point out is that the ECW is both colorful and interesting.I just didn\'t like it being dismissed out of hand because of it\'s importance on worldwide basis.I believe as a wargamer a period must interest you in both painting and playing and anything else does not matter.

As for me, I have the typical wargamers problem in that to much interests me! :gamer: I always have a massive back log of models to paint! :dash: I love the dark ages and my favorite army is the Vikings in which I have one in both WAB and DBMM :phatgrin: .For WAB I own -Vikings, Imperial Romens,Carthagians,Ancient Germens,HYW English,Ancient Greeks,ECW-Royalists,DBA/DBMM-Vikings,Normens,Post Mongol Samurai,LOTOW Lawmen/Outlaws and if I had the time I would like an army for just about every book so far released for WAB + too many armies to mention for DBMM! :lol:

Thanks for pointing out the lack of interest in the Renaissance period,I believe they make for very nice looking games on a tabletop.Truely a period not to be missed by dedicated figure painters!

[holger]

I am from Dortmund and played my first game using the ECW WH rules last friday. And friend of mine of the Dortmund Amateur Wargamers and me tried out the rules the first time. I collected so far the miniatures of the ECW and he tried more or less to collect minis fitting the TYW. It is no problem to use most of the figures for both wars I guess, especially if you play the later TYW period. If you want to try a more historical correct approach you should at least change the banners
In WI is currently a series for additional armies and rules for the TYW using WH ECW rules (started december 2007) which looks promising.
So if you find someone playing the TYW some scenarios for the ECW would be no problem. Unfortunately we live a little far from each other.

Holger
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